Round 2 Monday Mixed Summer 2017

Here are team's competition ladder positions after Round 2 Monday matches.

All matches were completed as scheduled.

Download this Ladder at https://goo.gl/EO1Pjt and team detail scores at https://goo.gl/2iY1zF

Season Kick off. Round 1 S2017

The season kick off went very smoothly over thew last 2 weeks as we dovetailed around holidays.

Welcome back to everyone in the variously reconstituted teams.  And a very warm welcome  to the 3 brand new starters; Tigra, Black Pagoda and Club 15.

To get things stated our spirited captains meeting at Hideaway 3 weeks ago saw everyone have a say in how we proceed with settling options for this season. The format and scoring was overwhelmingly decided to leave unchanged. It also ended up a great social night with many  going  to "Why Not" Bar to round off the night.

One key change this season will be an additional tournament after traditional trophy matches are completed . The trophy for this overall league championship will be decided in play-offs over 4 weeks. 

We had a late comer being "Pot Shots SM" a new Monday Blue Team. who fill the bye slot.

This is a composite of players from Wednesday Hot Shots - Dubs & SOS teams and some new players too A previously scheduled friendly proceeded so a catch up will be needed. 

The schedule is updated to include this change to replace the friendlies , plus a venue swap made by GF and TG is now reflected .  Please mark your wall copies to match.

Web results tables are operational on the respective tabs and each now has download links. We are working on improving mobile format, but generally the single table redesign should make that easier

Here for you reference is a List of Access Links that you may be used for quick access. I will add it to the Captains forum as a LINE note so you can also find it there. 

1. .Fixture / Schedule  https://goo.gl/jkMx9e
2.  Ladder - https://goo.gl/EO1Pjt
3.  Match Results - https://goo.gl/2iY1zF
4. Next Round  - https://goo.gl/wC0Rhb
5. Blank Scoresheet Forms - https://goo.gl/4qSL2F
6.  Rules - https://goo.gl/nvYOQZ
7. Notices & Information Folder https://goo.gl/x3zwUo  
8.  Submitted Scoresheets Folder https://goo.gl/4lQbJs

We are off to a really good start with basically no hiccups so lets make this the best season ever.

Best of luck to everyone.

Cheers Gordon Wood
For SSPL Admin and Planning Team

Here is the ladder for after round 1 for all Comps. (Link 2 above) 

The next round quick reference we send out each Sunday. it now  looks like this. If you are not Hosting your teams will be on the right side list as a visitor.  Please note there is no Wednesday's match this week due to the buddhist holiday. 

Party Time - You missed a great night if you missed it Here's who was there!!

The photos from  last  night are on our FaceBook Page. Roberto's are the good ones But good or bad, we know a picture is worth than 1000 words with smiles on everyone's face telling the story.

Remember we are famous until the new season starts next week. So get busy tagging yourself so you can be famous a bit longer.

Special thanks Johnny Walker. Having him as MC was fantastic. He also did all the planning so unselfishly to get it to happen. The Mexican and Pickled Liver too, pulled out all stops. Thanks Dennis & Bonnie  at The Mexican and Nick at the Pickled Liver  Thanks to Lenny Stokes for jumping in as Johnny's 2nd . That was Excellent.Staying the full 15 rounds to prove E = mc2.

Most of all thanks everyone for coming and enjoying yourselves. That's what it all about and you held up you end brilliantly with teams well represented. For those who could get there enjoy the pics!

Party Time Tonight April 28 2017 starts 7:30 Mexican then The Pickled Liver

For the record here are the final standings  

Monday 

Wednesday

Thursday 

Summer Season Kick-Off Meeting on April 26 2017 at Hideaway

Dear Players Supporters and Friends,

The Summer season starts next weeks with 9 Ball Comp on Wednesday, May 3 and Mixed Comp on the next Monday, May 8. A Captain's kickoff meeting is planned for this Wednesday, April 26 starting 7:30 at Hideaway, where each team will be represented.

Decisions to be made at the meeting are: (Most have been widely discussed. or surveyed)

1. Wednesday 9 Ball.Keep it as a race to 19 or change to 17 games for an earlier finish
2. Consider a proposal for 4 round playoff for SSPL Cup, after the 14 trophy rounds complete.
3. Monday format and scoring changes. Agree to: Changed to One set of 23 game points, Or keep the 5 sets as is. Or modify to add both scores together so both sets & games. See detail and survey analysis. https://goo.gl/k5llbF
4. Ladder points - keep as is based on matches won Ór change to accumulated points. 
5. Summer Season Schedule and the Rules Updates. See Fixtures or https://goo.gl/YUyei0
6. “Other awards” at EOS party on 28th April -Awards at Mexican / After at Pickled Liver 

The Schedule as WIP is on the web for your review. It is being updated as details get finalized. Red and Blue competitions are reconstituted based generally a team skill so your team may have moved. 

Our normal 18 round season is now only 14 rounds t(each team plays Home and away to qualify for a top of league standings Trophy. Inter comp friendlies played on byes will not count for scoring but will count for special awards. Once the ladder series is complete we then want to consider a 4 tier seeded elimination series.Within each competition, we have three elimination rounds (knocked out play friendlies) than a grand final to decide the SSPL Cup winner.

New are Black Pagoda in Sathorn, The Game, in Sukhumvit and Tigra Phra- Khanong 71 / soi 2  and Club 15 from Sukhumvit 13-15 but may start elsewhere) 

.Hustlers Fun have added a new team on Wednesday, Homeless (formerly Sport 20-2 Monday team) has move to Pickled Liver on Monday. Pickled Hot-shots have moved to Wednesday, Sportsman Stoned is reformed by Jay from his Wednesday Axe team. 

Pickled Jools and SM Dubs Wednesday are disbanded  with Sportsman SOS from Thursday reformed by Barry Bradford. Breakers Sun and Monday Axe have left to join The Hustlers league. 

Thursday competitions have been discontinued this season

Below are Winter 2017 season final standings results after catch up matches now completed.

Monday

 Wednesday

Thursday 

Congratulations everyone for the truly great season of the smooth coming together of what were teams from 2 leagues. HThe hiccups turned out as great positives to get us all enjoying playing together, especially the friendlies that achieved cross competition bonding too.

In a single community now, we just seemed to get on with it and adopt each other so well along with merging our social values. We are now looking forward to more and better in the coming season. 


Good news too is Hustler's Bangkok Pool League are working with us well to provide more competitive promotion opportunities for social league.teams with higher ambitions. The practical side now is 2 teams last season social league teams moved to Hustler's and 2 teams from Hustlers are playing in our social league. 

For the winners in the 5 competitions, of the winter 2017 season, we look forward to applauding them when we present their trophies at 

Cheers Gordon
SSPL Committee

Moonshine Birthday Party Bash for Mitch

Please join Wassana and the Moonshine staff on Saturday, April 22,  as they throw a Moonshine style party bash in honor of Mitch's birthday.

Enjoy some if Wassana's great food, along with party time Moonshine style, as we celebrate another year gone by and many more to come for Mitch.

Night starts at 7ish and goes til you drop.

Hope to see you there.

Survey Results and End of Season Party Plan

The Captain's SURVEY saythe s let’s kick-on from

The End of Season Presentations on April 28th at

The Mexican.

Catering for our larger league, Dennis and team are preparing a fantastic Mexican food buffet for our Trophy Presentations Party. Robert Dagger & Johnny Walker, our resident Masters of ceremonies, are making it happen.

The Kick-on bonus is an “After Party” at

The Pickled Liver.

This also promises be loads of fun too, with Lee Shamrock, as master of ceremonies, entertaining us until late.

Many thanks to those who responded to the survey and other feedback on chats.

At Mar 31 we had 31 responses which, added to the Captain's workshop discussions etc, gives the league some really solid feedback to plan with.

You can download a full copy of the survey results from the survey page on the web or here   https://goo.gl/6IVVnX

The breakdown of responses saw 12 of 34  captains ( one-third)  and 17 of approximately 200+ players / others, most from the same teams, responding.

Overall 4 teams with multiple responses comprises 60 % of replies.

We have left the survey open, if you still want to have a say.

As we mentioned at the outset, this survey is not a vote but more about an ongoing conversation we need to have to keep everything healthy. On specifics we still need in depth analysis, but here are some high level observations on the analysis so far.

Generally, the replies indicated the overall happiness with the league as most captains indicated at the meeting anyway. That includes additional items added about direction and how we can work with other leagues.

Admin changes on clarity were positive too. Specific attention on catch ups is needed and most want easier web reports for phones.

There were some excellent suggestions from those who took advantage of the narrative options to say more. The last item below is a potentially a great new idea that suggests a way get registered players feedback each week, to reflect the get-together happiness.

Here are some excerpts:

Do you have any suggestions on how to improve our current Sukhumvit Social Pool League - Definitions, Etiquette & Rules.(responses)

• have captains family day and other social parties as semi-social events to get people more involve cross-team collaboration and other social interactions e.g involving wives and families

• No It seems to work fine

• Cancellation within 24 hours is forfeit

• A quick search on Google provides a host of definitions, etiquette, and rules that can be plagiarized

• Maybe allow plastic racks in 9 balls but not allow golden breaks.

• Better Web format - easier to comprehend

• An easier points system for Mondays. Teams unable to play forfeit or catch up games played in 7 days or forfeited. Perhaps instead of colored grading for teams, there could be 1st, 2nd divisions etc or grades eg A grade, B grade etc. maybe players ranked too.

• Our team thinks Mondays should be 8 Ball & Wednesdays 9 ball

• Team captain need to brief players on push shots. Numerous push shots are played without being called.

Any other suggestions on how to co-exist well

(responses)

• get them registered in our league so we can be seen by them warts and all and as a courtesy and send them this survey

• Have in off season some matches. Hire top players to teach techniques to better themselves

• As in football - leagues fall under one another, avoids confusion and provides targets to aim at...

• I personally believe the Bangkok pool league has had its day so no need

• We already co-exist well. However, if the different leagues make their schedules match/align it would be better. it gives a player a chance to swap out at the end of a season.

• The current system works well but could arrange inter comp matches.

Other Items noted

(responses)

• Those that just want to play for fun already have that facility.

• I am a strong believer that a Grand final would make a great showpiece event for the best players in the league to demonstrate their skills

• Simple is best!

• Keep the SSPL the way it is. A lot of fun we don't want to mix the leagues and have a lot of very good players kicking our ass every week. KEEP IT FUN AND CASUAL

• I would prefer 8 Ball only on Mondays as Wednesday is 9 ball only. My team prefer 8 Ball and having a mixed format on Mondays mean that 75% of games are 9 ball
• Make this survey shorter and cut out duplicate and irrelevant questions for non-captains

• Would lIke other scoring options. (include more information at the end of this survey), Games won by both teams on a night should count. With the winning team receiving a bonus point for the win. So if a match finished 19-18, winning team gets 20 points and losing team 18. There could be a 2 point bonus for winning by more than 10 games. So if a team wins 19-7, the winning team gets 21 and losing team 7

• Introduce an anonymous host and guest ranking system to reflect the get-together happiness

On the scoring,.

Wednesday format and scoring seem fine as-is with most saying no change.

For Monday it is mixed.

In the detail, it shows captains and players combined were 65% in favour of keeping points as the measure. This combines the answers of 1 & 3 which are basically the same.

Here is a team by team breakdown of responses for both nights from captains.

The respondents option to answer 1 oe 4 indicates, most captains understand the points lead to the win, but players in answering the simpler question just make the distinction that accumulated points determine the match win anyway which is what we do now .

It seems clear no change to Monday Match scoring is needed,  being based on Sets and Games. however with 30 % indicating other preferences it is clear that set points and how games make up sets are not well understood and needs to be addressed.

The issue remaining, however, is we cannot compromise our objective to keep matches alive and fun to make a win on a night count so it means something.

That is 2 Fixed formats earning 5 points each so last set, played just on games, can give underdogs the chance to square up.

We have looked at several options including extending the games but it still comes out the same.

i.e Games won can still be more for the game set and match loser and games only can make the match less fun.

Changing from a majority win to a race on games does work on Wednesday 9 Ball but is has never been tested on Mixed formats.

The bottom line is it is always possible for majority systems for one teams to win more sets and the other win more games. That is because as games needed to win a set can vary as shown in the next table.

In international head to head championship these are decided on the number of sets won, regardless of the games won in each set. E.g Team 1 wins 2-1 sets as tabled:

In Sukhumvit Social Lool League our nuance is set points scoring is not based on just 1 point for a set win. Ours is varied to cater for 4 games of doubles sets when drawn of one each of one two points and 5 game singles sets get three points.

That means each of the 3 formats including the last choice of format set with 5 games with one point per game, get an even 5 points each. In the in the end majority of the available 15 points is the same as three sets with just one winner overall too. (same in tennis and other sports.

A separate paper is now being drafted for captains consideration. This outlines how we might handle this.

On continuing friendlies, the length of the season and allocation of teams to competitions, the feedback saw most were happy with the as-is.

That of course depends on how many teams and how see arrange the scheduling for next season that will be drafted by April 11th, We can look more then .

SOCIAL EVENTS

In the survey, we asked for feedback on social events including the presentation nights and other events.  it seems most if not all like the spread of events ideas.

The big bash idea was given a resounding YES. But that of course is for the future,  pending alternatives to the current rotation system or a hybrid that sponsors can also agree on. Now the key catch-ups are concluded, we can now proceed with completing the first rotation, but with an added feature is an after party this season to make it even better.